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UPDATED: January 2020
Let me start with the bad news: even the best natural deodorant isn’t going to work like Secret or any conventional antiperspirant you may be using now. That said, the longer I’ve used natural deodorant, the better it works, and I actually seem to sweat less (a lot of you say this is the same for you).
I now save my conventional, Bad Stuff antiperspirant for the occasional “emergency” situations when I’ll be nervous or hot and cannot afford to sweat at all. Like both of my appearance on Dr. Oz’s show—I was up there talking about the dangers of phthalates in food, and all I could smell was the phthalate-laden fragrance of the Degree Shower Fresh I was wearing!
The good news is that there are more safe, natural deodorants to choose from than ever. They come in sticks, jars, roll-ons and sprays. And, yes, many of them actually work.
My Top Pick for Best Natural Deodorant
Using Soapwalla has been nothing short of revelation for me. The application (with fingers) took a little getting used to, but I’ve yet to find another natural deodorant that is this effective.
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What’s Wrong with Conventional Antiperspirant and Deodorant?
In general, I’m concerned about deodorant and antiperspirant because of exposure–we tend to apply these products every day and leave them on for long periods of time. Also, more of the product’s ingredients can penetrate the skin thanks to little nicks left behind after shaving.
Here are the common ingredients that I’m most worried about in conventional deodorants or antiperspirants:
- Aluminum is the reason that most people are worried about antiperspirants. Aluminum-based compounds prevent us from sweating by temporarily plugging our sweat glands. They may be linked to an increased risk of breast cancer and neurological diseases such as Alzheimer’s, although evidence for both is contradictory.
- Fragrance is the ingredient I’m usually most concerned about in deodorants. (This is the case with many other skincare products, too.) Fragrances generally contain hormone-disrupting phthalates, which you won’t see listed on the label. Even “phthalate-free” deodorants often contain synthetic fragrances, which have unknown phthalate replacements in them, some of which may be just as bad. Always opt for unscented products or those made with only 100% natural fragrances (essential oils).
- Triclosan, the antibacterial agent that forms carcinogenic chloroform when it comes in contact with water that contains trace amounts of chlorine, is found in many deodorants.
- Many deodorants contain parabens (preservatives that mimic estrogen) and artificial colors, which may be neurotoxins.
Best Natural Deodorant for Men
For those of you seeking a more traditionally “manly” smell, my husband is a big fan of Schmidt’s Charcoal & Magnesium formula.
What’s Wrong with Natural Antiperspirants & Deodorants?
There is a lot of Sneaky Stuff being marketed as natural deodorant and antiperspirant. The most popular sneaky label is “aluminum-free,” because many of these deodorants still have bad stuff in them.
These are the sneaky ingredients that worry me most in natural deodorants:
- Many “aluminum-free” deodorants, such as natural crystal deodorants, contain potassium alum. Potassium alum is natural, but it’s still a type of aluminum and therefore may carry the same risks. I do not recommend these products to women because of possible breast cancer links.
- Even many natural deodorants contain propylene glycol, a softening agent linked to cancer and reproductive damage.
- Concerning fragrances and preservatives are rampant among supposedly natural deodorants.Best Natural Deodorant Ingredients
Body odor happens when sweat meets bacteria on the skin. Good natural deodorants combine a variety of ingredients to do one or all of the following: inhibit the growth of bacteria that makes sweat smelly; absorb some of the moisture from sweat; and reduce the amount of sweat by shrinking pores.
Good Stuff products do not act like conventional antiperspirants, which block sweat from leaving the body.
The Best of the Worst
If you really need to NOT sweat, Ban is the best of the Bad Stuff. The unscented variety of antiperspirant contains aluminum and the moderately concerning cyclopentasiloxane, but it’s much better than other Bad Stuff. Just save this for when you really, really need it, and try not to apply to freshly shaven armpits.
Here are some effective ingredients to look for in Good Stuff:
Here are some effective ingredients that you’ll find in the best natural deodorant brands:
- Alcohol (sometimes listed as ethanol) inhibits bacteria. Note that alcohol will increase the penetration of other ingredients in the product, so if you’re using deodorant with alcohol, make sure it’s Good Stuff!
- Aloe soothes and conditions skin.
- Arrowroot powder absorbs moisture.
- Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) helps neutralize odors and absorbs moisture.
- Coconut oil and other vegetable oils and butters (shea, cocoa, mango, etc.) moisturize and soothe irritated skin (hello, shaving). Coconut oil is also anti-microbial.
- Cornstarch absorbs moisture.
- Essential oils are added for natural fragrance and other properties (like antimicrobial tea tree, lichen, and rosemary).
- Hops extract (yes, as in hops from brewing beer) is antimicrobial.
- Kaolin clay (aka white cosmetic clay) absorbs moisture.
- Vegetable glycerin and natural waxes (like beeswax and candelilla wax) bind ingredients together and are most common in stick deodorants.
- Vitamin E (tocopherol) is an antioxidant, so it serves as a preservative.
- Witch hazel and other astringent ingredients help shrink pores to reduce sweating.
- Zinc oxide is anti-microbial. Just be sure that it’s non-nano zinc.
Pro Tips for Success with Natural Deodorant
I’ve learned a lot about using natural deodorants from my own trial-and-error and the experiences of my clients and readers. Here are some tips to help you avoid common pitfalls (pun intended!):
- Time: If you’re making a big switch from conventional antiperspirants to natural deodorant, your body might need time to adjust before the natural stuff can be effective. Some even claim that your pits might have some detoxing to do.
- Staining: A common complaint about natural deodorants made with oils like coconut is that they stain clothes. Avoid this by using only a small amount (read the label) and giving the product a couple of minutes to absorb before you put on your clothes.
- Shaving: Some people also report that natural deodorants sting or cause irritation after shaving. An easy(ish) work-around is to shave at night and apply deodorant in the morning.
- Baking soda: Many of the most popular natural deodorants (Primal Pit Paste, Schmidt’s, Soapwalla, CocoPits, etc.) are baking soda-based. Baking soda can irritate some people’s skin, at least at first. Luckily, there are lots of baking soda-free formulas among the Good Stuff.
- Hormones: If you’ve given birth recently and/or are breastfeeding, you might be sweating more than usual—it’s not just your imagination, and you’re not alone! You might need to apply your deodorant more often. I’m a fan of freshening up a couple of times a day with baby wipes.
Are you overwhelmed with the length of the list of Good Stuff? My favorite cream is Soapwalla, spray is EO, and stick is the Schmidt’s.
The Good Stuff
Beautycounter’s new deodorant skips all toxins while also getting great reviews for its efficacy.
Dr. Clark’s Zinc Deo is a roll-on deodorant that contains only two ingredients: water and zinc oxide. The zinc is non-nano and non-micronized. I haven’t personally tested this one for effectiveness, but I’m intrigued by the minimalist formula!
EO Organic Deodorant Spray is made from a short list of organic alcohol, water, and essential oils.
Fat and the Moon makes a deodorant cream that I haven’t tried, but that looks similar in ingredients to Soapwalla. This organic formula is totally safe!
I’m so pleased to move Green Beaver from Sneaky to Good Stuff, since they’ve removed the yucky ingredients from their formulations. I can’t say if this brand works well or not, so please comment below if you’ve used Green Beaver.
Green Tidings deodorant is the one very highly ranked on Amazon, so lots of you have tried it, though I haven’t. One of my best friends ordered it wasn’t impressed: “It kept the stink at bay, but was pretty messy to apply.”
Lafes twist-stick deodorantis is glycerin-based so it goes on clear. Lafe’s old formula contained potassium alum, but this new one gets our thumbs up.
Made with Love by Sama sent me sample deodorants and I liked them. However, when it’s warm they are reduced to a near-liquid form and require refrigeration to return to stick. This is common with oil-based deodorants. It wasn’t a huge deal for me, but it’s worth considering.
Naked Deodorant, by North Coast Organics, contains just five edible ingredients (like coconut oil and baking soda), and gets a big thumbs of from a few of our readers.
Nourish Organics makes stick deodorants that smell nice and don’t contain concerning ingredients, but don’t get great reviews for effectiveness.
A lot of you have asked about Lavanila. While many of the ingredients are “naturally-derived” rather than truly natural, nothing in these deodorants scores poorly on EWG’s hazard scale, so I call this Okay Stuff. Just don’t confuse it with Lanvilin, which is Sneaky (see below).
Piperwai was featured on Shark Tank and got a lot of attention. Some of you love it; others not so much. The only thing I don’t love is that it contains a proprietary blend of essential oils. I would rather know exactly what’s in any product I’m using.
Poofy’s line of Max Deo deodorants are free of all the Bad Stuff, and many of my readers say they are super effective. Like many Poofy products, these deodorants do contain the non-specific “natural flavors,” but it’s the last ingredient, so it doesn’t concern me. Poofy even makes a deodorant for kids!
Primal Pit Paste makes popular jarred deodorants and stick deodorants. They’ve been really annoying about getting back to me (in that, they haven’t, and I’ve been trying to get in touch with them for literally years!), and I have not personally tried their products. Still, the ingredients completely check out as Good Stuff, so I’m giving them my stamp of approval. Note that a few of you have complained that this stained your clothing or darkened the skin of your underarms.
Purelygreat deodorant creams contain a handful of natural ingredients, but I haven’t tested any of them so I cannot promise that they work.
Real Purity is another brand that several readers asked about—you say you use it and like it, so good news: I’d call it Good Stuff! I should mention, however, that it does contain potassium sorbate, a food-grade preservative that I am not personally worried about, but which EWG ranks a 3.
Sam’s Natural is another brand that a bunch of you asked about. I haven’t tried it, but with ingredients that include only things like baking soda, shea butter, and a variety of essential oils, it’s definitely Good Stuff!
Schmidt’s makes a popular jarred deodorant, and recently launched a stick version as well. There’s nothing but the Good Stuff in both. My friend once brought over a tub of this stuff for me to check out after she bought it at Urban Outfitters. I was surprised by the legitimately clean ingredients, as Urban Outfitters (and Anthropologie, too) are FULL of Sneaky products well-packaged to look natural. Schmidt’s is a happy exception! We now sell the sticks in our store. Oh, and for those of you who DO find the baking soda variety irritating, Schmidt’s now offers a sensitive formula.
Soapwalla has quickly developed a cult following, and is my go-to and current favorite. At first it’s a little odd to apply deodorant with your fingers, but I got used to it pretty quickly. I love that Soapwalla is a small operation. They’re located near my home in Brooklyn, so I was able to go meet Rachel (the owner), pick up the products, and see their small-scale production. These factors bring Soapwalla to the head of the Good Stuff pack.
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Allison says
Just wondering if you’ve ever reviewed any Poofy Organics products? I definitely think they are good stuff!
Maia James says
Yes, see above under Good Stuff!
Corrie says
What about Dessert Essence? I buy their Tropical Breeze deodorant at Whole Foods and would love to know how you would rate that brand!
RACHEL says
Have you looked into Earth Mama deodorant?
David says
My favorite is Ussal natural deodorant. I think the pH is the only natural deodorant balanced. And I don’t really prefer cream deodorant. I prefer roll-on or Stik deodorants.
Matus says
If you want to change your actual deodorant, because it´s not long lasting, makes your sweat smell even worse, ruins your clothes, causes a large red rash or its fine as long as you don’t do much of physical activity. Then deodorant with Aloe vera gel and BIO Cotton extract will provide you an excellent replacement.
Take a look what other women spoke about it.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0179QPGVK?ref=myi_title_dp
Maci says
Please Do NOT recommend, I implore you, Primal pit paste to any of your readers. While not all, so many people are reactive to their baking soda essential combination After about a month, itching and darkening of the underarm skin appears. The company has neither the decency to warn you this may happen nor the integrity to refund you. These side effects happen so frequently (see reviews in Amazon w/pics -also 5 out of 6 of my family members experienced them) that warrants them being transparent with this fact and offering at that time ways to troubleshoot. Rather, they, in my opinion, act oblivious when you inform, send out a pre-written script of how to possibly deal with it(doesn’t work) along with another script telling you why they can not refund you. It hurts me that they don’t honor their customers mitre. Note they will offer you a different scent in their line but the scent is not the problem. Stay away from primal pit paste.
Janelle says
They DO warn consumers about this (I did extensive research before buying) and the darkness goes away, if that’s how your skin reacts, if you discontinue use. Suggesting she not recommend them doesn’t make sense. You could say that about any product! Not every product works the same way for everybody. In fact, Primal’s sage scented deodorant doesn’t work force, but the lavender and creamsicle Keep me odor free. I’m not going to suggest she not recommend them to people just because they didn’t work for ME. People, make your own choices. There are so many good stuff products you should try it out and see what works best for YOU! Good luck!
Melissa M says
I completely agree with everything you said. It’s absolutely ridiculous to tell someone not to recommend a product because it didn’t work for them or caused irritation. If they find out that this product is actually dangerous then by all means post away but until then it’s not fair to scare other consumers with your “opinions and experiences”. I’ve personally seen their warnings on their site about discoloration and baking soda sensitivities. I for one tried their lavender scented and I love it. Been using for about a year now w no issues.
Renee says
My husband and I LOVE Primal Pit Paste and have been using it for a few years now without any problems. The only thing that has happened is that our shirts get stained from the coconut oil. Other than that, my husband is a fire fighter and sweats and gets super smelly from wearing his fire gear, and it keeps him stink free, even the unscented. I’m not a particularly smelly person, only after I had my son. I became stinky from the hormones, but the PPP kept that stink away. Like Janelle said, I wouldn’t tell her not to recommend it, because it is a great product. Everyone’s body chemistry is different.
Pat says
Thoughts on the brand “Every Man Jack” fresh scent. The brand itself gets good ratings on EWG, I’m wondering what you happen to think of it. Thanks!
Maia James says
I actually don’t love this brand. They use sodium benzoate, phenoxyethanol, and a bunch of other chemicals on my Bad Stuff list.
Pat says
So what is mans brand that is safe? Herbal cowboy? I don’t want to walk around smelling like powder or flowers.
Pat says
Also, can you recommend mens body wash and shampoo along with a deodorant? My wife uses Acure which doesn’t smell too feminine for me but I was hoping you could maybe recommend some mens? I really like how Every Man Jack smells and works but if they’re sneaky I don’t want to use them. My issue with deodorants is I sweat a lot and I have BO, none of the natural deos I’ve tried work at all. (Lafes, Toms)
Maia James says
My husband uses the Active scent of this one; it smells manly:). https://gimmethegoodstuff.org/store/lafes-natural-deodorant-twist-stick/
Brie says
What are your thoughts on Burts Bees deodorants? Thank you
Maia James says
They are fine (don’t have organic ingredients, but nothing alarming).
Stephanie says
What are your thoughts on “DeodoMom”? I used it during my first pregnancy and have started using it again for my second. Thanks!
Maia James says
Don’t know that brand, but will add to our research list!
Kaye says
What are your thoughts on Soapme With Nature Deodorants? Thank you!
Maia James says
I don’t know that brand–will check it out!
Kaye says
Hi Maia, I am breastfeeding and have been using their unscented version that has these ingredients: Organic Coconut Oil,Arrowroot Powder,Baking Soda,Raw Unrefined Shea Butter,Raw Beeswax.
Do you think any of those ingredients are of concern for the milkl?
Thank you for your responses!
Maia James says
Nope, this looks like an entirely safe list of ingredients.
Ferry says
What brand (s) do you recommend for a breastfeeding mom? I heard that some essential oils and natural ingredients are not compatible with breastfeeding. Thanks
Maia James says
I personally don’t worry about the small amounts of essential oils in any of the recommended brands (and I’m breastfeeding, too). But, it certainly wouldn’t hurt to go with something with an extra short list of ingredients, like this: http://amzn.to/2aMpYUH
Amy says
I was worried about this as well since I really like sage and it seems to be a bad choice for breastfeeding moms (it has been known to reduce milk supply when taken orally).
If you’re totally freaked out about ruining a perfectly good milk supply there’s a list here of safe and not-so-safe oils http://www.thehippyhomemaker.com/using-essential-oils-safely-for-pregnant-nursing-mamas/
But I agree, that the small amounts may not be a problem (I’ve accidentally found some of these oils in my products, and nothing has affected my milk supply).
Morgan Robbins says
Have you ever looked into Native brand?
Maia James says
I haven’t, but I will!
Christine says
I’m curious about the brand Native also!
Katie says
My sister and I have both switched over to Native deodorant – huge fan of their products now!
Sasha says
Have you looked into Native yet? I’m curious about them vd Schmidt’s?
Abby Shetler says
Yes, you must try. I started using it the beginning of July. I love it. I have not been using it long enough to know if it is effecting my clothing ( I don’t think it is). I also try not to use it every day just to give my body a little rest. It does tell you to swipe once or twice and to rub in any excess. I do this and have (in the past) had the aversion to getting gunky deodorant on my fingers, but with Native being all natural, I just rub it into my hands and continue on with my morning. I can not wait to see your review. Thank you for checking it out.
Tonya Linderer says
I’m also interested in learning if the Native brand deodorant is good.
Have you researched this yet?
Julie Stewart says
I am also interested in your assessment of Native. I used Routine a few times, and then my friend, who was also using it, got cysts and freaked out. So, I won’t use that anymore… Native seems good, but now I’m honestly trying to figure out if I should just go native and not use anything… Here’s what their website says:
We use caprylic/capric triglyceride (which is a fancy way of saying fractionated coconut oil), arrowroot powder, stearyl alcohol, baking soda, shea butter, coconut oil, hydrogenated castor oil, polyglycerol-3 beeswax (which is a fancy way of saying cera bellina wax), jojoba esters, tocopherol (which is a fancy way of saying Vitamin E), L. acidophilus (which is a natural bacteria found in your body already), maltodextrin, glyceryl caprylate, and glyceryl undecylenate. Our scented deodorants include oils. Due to FDA recommendations, we use the term “fragrance” to refer to these oils.
Maia James says
We’ve now reviewed Native–see above!
Kayla says
I think it’s worth the mention that corn starch shouldn’t used by those sensitive to yeast infections, and some EO’s are best avoided as a regular use produce when hormone sensitive (i.e. most prevalent for women: lavender).
Jana says
I have been a devoted Dove brand consumer for some years now. I have used only Dove deodorant for more then 10 years now. Thoughts on their deoderant/antiperspirants or other products?
I am so happy o found your site (only through a google search). This is my go-to place to decide what i am buying for my family.
I love you for being so obviously dedicated to informing us of your findings. Thank you!!
Maia James says
Sorry to say, but in my opinion, Dove is not Good Stuff.
Sarah says
I am considering Keep It Kind Fresh Kidz Boys Natural Deodorant for my ten year old son. Is this a safe choice for my son. I am not sure if it is phthalate free. What are some of the kid friendly deodorants?
Maia James says
Odds are, this has phthalates, among other concerning ingredients. Any of the options in the Safe Deodorant Guide would be safe for him–in particular, my husband likes the smell of this one (less traditionally “feminine”): https://gimmethegoodstuff.org/store/lafes-natural-deodorant-twist-stick/ in the Active scent.
Mary says
Hey! Have you ever tried or what is your opinion on Nubain soaps and deodorants? Thanks!
Maia James says
I have a friend who swears by Nubian shampoo! Overall, I think this brand is safe (not all natural, though).
Claudia says
Purelygreat is amazing! I used to use the Lafes stick which was good, but while I was sweating I could smell myself, and the mornings, before my shower, was horrendous. But, from day one of using Purelygreat I haven’t smelled bad. Even in the morning! I could go a couple days without showering and my armpits wouldn’t give it away. Purely great stuff!
Cheryl says
Hi! I love reading everything on here. Do you recommend Green Beaver?
Cheryl says
Sorry! I have so many of your tabs up, I commented on the wrong one haha! Back to the toothpaste tab 🙂
Lina says
I currently use Tom’s, and am thinking of switching to local brand called Ursa Major. It’s on the pricier side, but would love to hear what you think.
Maia James says
Thanks for putting this brand on my radar! I’m not familiar with them, but will check it out!
Brooke Murphy says
I am breastfeeding and looking into safe stick deodorant. I have heard good things about Native brand but didn’t know if it’s good stuff… Here’s the ingredient list from their website –
We use arrowroot powder, baking soda, coconut oil, shea butter, caprylic/capric triglyceride (which is a fancy way of saying fractionated coconut oil), beeswax, polyglycerol-3 beeswax (which is a fancy way of saying cera bellina wax), tocopherol (which is a fancy way of saying Vitamin E), and acidophilus (which is a natural bacteria found in your body already). Our scented deodorants include essential oils. Lavender & Rose is made with Lavender Oil and Geranium Oil. Fresh & Clean is made with Eucalyptus Oil and Spearmint Oil.
Maia James says
Sounds like Good Stuff:)
CherAshley says
I just switched from secret to schmidts deodorant stick in bergamot + lime yesterday and it’s burning! do you think it’s because my underarms are “detoxing” or maybe my skin is more sensitive than I thought?
Maia James says
Hi there-I actually don’t totally buy into the whole “detoxing” theory. Did you just shave before applying? I would give it a few days but certainly discontinue if it continues to be painful.
Melissa says
Check out the brand Native! It is local to SF and seems safe and has cute packaging! It is pricey, though.
Sonia D says
Sierra sage now makes a deodorant. I’ve been using it and still prefer soapwalla. The ingredients are pretty legit though!
SUNNY LA says
Great list!
For the lavanila I’m concerned that it has both carrageenan and propandeiol?! There is a lot of literature regarding carrageenan that makes me thing it isn’t safe. Is there a version thats safe I don’t know about?
Maia James says
Not really, and while I am not AS worried about carragenan in skincare as I am in food, I don’t consider it Good Stuff. But I don’t see it on the Lavanila label…where are you seeing it?
Chantelle says
I recently switched to EO Organic Deodorant in Tea Tree after reading this article. And so far it has been the BEST natural Deodorant for me. I was using another natural one before for over a year and it didn’t do well with keeping me from sweating. The EO Organic has been heavenly and smells amazing.
Maia James says
so glad that this one has been so great for you!
Sandra says
Is soapawalla or pit paste safe for pregnancy? If not do you recommend one that is?
Maia James says
Yes both are safe (and I love Soapwalla!).
Sandra says
The reason I ask is because some people claim that essential oils shouldn’t be used in the first trimester. Based on your research, does this hold true?
Maia James says
Not really. I haven’t found any compelling evidence that small amounts of essential oils would pose a risk. If you’re worried, you could do one of the formulas without essential oils, like this: http://amzn.to/2hJo5IN
Rick Peskett says
Hi,
Thanks for the great article. None of the “buy from Amazon” buttons worked, on 12/22/16.
Thanks
Brooke says
You should look into Bubble and bee organic products. I would love your thoughts on them. http://www.bubbleandbee.com
I use their Lavendar Vanilla Pit Putty stick and don’t sweat or need to reapply like I used to. Ingredients: Organic arrowroot powder, organic coconut oil, aluminum-free baking soda, organic lavender essential oil, organic vanilla extract. That’s it! No “Bad” Stuff!
Maia James says
Yes, Bubble and Bee is definitely Good Stuff:).
Paul Guerrero says
Hello, what are your thoughts on Nature’s Gate Herbal Blend deodorant?
Paul Guerrero says
I do not see any mention of propylene glycol in the ingredient list. What do you think? Thank you in advance.
Maia James says
I don’t love Nature’s Gate because they use synthetic fragrances.
Paul Guerrero says
Please disregard this post
Nida says
Hi, what are you thoughts on Herban Cowboy brand? They have a couple of different scents. Here are the ingredients for the “Blossom” one:
Propanediol, aloe barbadensis leaf juice, aqua, glycerin, sodium stearate, ethylhexylglycerin, oryza sativa (rice) starch, rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary) leaf extract, carum petroselinum (parsley) extract, salvia officinalis (sage) leaf extract, allantoin, bisabolol, zinc ricinoleate, mineral salts (potassium alum), hydroxyethylcellulose, fragrance.
Proprietary Essential Oil Blend (No Phthalates) / No Aluminum Chlorohydrate / 100% Vegan
Maia James says
This ingredient list looks fine to me!
Steph says
It does? I thought potassium alum was a problem?
Maia James says
oh my gosh, you’re right! I totally missed that when reading it quickly. Thanks for your vigilance!
Melissa says
I noticed you have the Green Beaver Natural Deodorant as sneaky stuff.
Have you looked at their new and improved formula?
Green Beaver Natural Deodorant
Ingredients: Propanediol, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice*, Glycerin, Sodium Stearate,
Sodium Caproyl/Lauroyl Lactyl Lactate, Triethyl Citrate, Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Oil, Ledum Groenlandicum (Labrador Tea) Water*, Cymbopogon Martinii (Palmarosa) Oil*, Cananga Odorata (Ylang-ylang) Oil*, Cetearyl Glucoside, Glyceryl Laurate, Anthemis Nobilis (Chamomile) Flower Water*
*Ingredients from organic farming
100% natural
29% BIO
And the Green Beaver Deodorant Spray
Ingredients: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice*, Aqua/Water/Eau, Polyglyceryl-10 Laurate, Sodium Caproyl/Lauroyl Lactyl Lactate, Triethyl Citrate, Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Oil, Ledum Groenlandicum (Labrador Tea) Water*, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Oil* Citrus Limonum (Lemon) Oil*, Glyceryl Caprylate, Sodium Levulinate, Glyceryl Undecylenate, Xanthan Gum, Anthemis Nobilis (Chamomile) Flower Water*
Maia James says
Thanks for bringing this to my attention! It definitely looks like they’ve improved their formula.
Madison says
I’ve been using native for a few months now and their ingredient list seems okay to me. Any thoughts on Native?
Katie says
Hi! I was just curious if you have looked into any of the Doterra products. They are making Deoderent, Shampoo, Conditioner, and a bunch of facial products that they deem safe. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
Carin says
Hi Maia,
Have you tried the Green Beaver deodorants? It works well, but I am concerned about one ingredient called, polyglyceryl-10 laurate.
Jennifer says
I used your guide to purchase Schmidt’s from my local Sprouts for my son and myself. After having my fourth baby 8 months ago, my body rebelled and I STUNK. I had switched to the Honest sprays after hearing good things from my neighbor. Did not work for me. But Schmidt’s is amazing. I use the unscented as I’m nursing and not confident enough about the safety of EO’s, and I don’t stink anymore (honestly I think the scents don’t work with my body chemistry.) I went back and bought 6 more sticks since they were b1g1 🙂
Thanks for helping me find a safe deodorant that WORKS!
rebekah says
I can’t believe someone hated on Green Tidings! It’s the only natural deo that works for me when I’m pregnant (Schmidts turns my pits black) when all of the other deoderants just leave me stinky
Green Tidings is PERFECT and isn’t any messier than any other stick deo…. theres nothing messy about it it’s a bar…
LauraG says
Native deodorant is awesome! I have a strong body order, and this stuff works for me throughout the entire day, I recommend it! Their ingredients are listed on their website, they’re supposed to be
natural and good on the skin. The only thing I don’t like about it is that it does leave white marks
on my clothing, but other than that it’s great!
Mat says
Hi Maia
Found mention of Earth Conscious on another site. Are you familiar with it and would you consider it The Good stuff?
Thanks
Mat
Lauren says
Hi there. I was wondering about Mamasuds deodorant. Safe? Effective? Thanks 🙂
Maia James says
Safe, yes. Not sure about effectiveness as I haven’t tried.
Maia James says
Definitely safe, not sure about effectiveness.
Caroline says
I have been using the EO lavender spray deodorant for several months now (after reading about it here). It has been working great! But every morning when I put it on I feel vaguely worried about the cloud of strongly scented droplets that hang in the air after applying it and I breathe it in. I try my best to hold my breath while spraying and for a few seconds after. Do you know if there are risks to breathing this in? I want to love this deodorant but I’m feeling worried. Thanks!
Maia James says
I really wouldn’t worry about this, but of course there are many wonderful non-spray options if you are:).
Ami says
What about Burt’s Bees?
Maia James says
Burt’s Bees in general is either Sneaky Stuff or Okay Stuff.
Morgan says
As much as I love the idea of natural deodorant, none of them actually make a difference for me. Especially during the summer months, my sweat is out of control. I’ve always had issues with over-sweating my entire life. A few months ago I read an article about different deodorants and junglejuice was listed on there. I was hesitant to stray away from the norm but I knew I needed a deodorant with an extra kick to it. I’ll tell you this stuff is amazing. It stays on even after my outdoor workouts in the summer heat! Now I can work all day and then run to happy hour with the girls without feeling self-conscious the entire time. It’s worth a look into for sure: https://www.junglemannaturals.com
Erin says
I’ve been using the Purely Great Lavender and it works really well- I love it, thanks for the recommendation! I’m wondering if it is safe to continue using during pregnancy?
Jessica says
What’s your opinion on the lush brand deodorants? That say natural and handmade.
Thank you!
Maia James says
Lush actually uses synthetic fragrance, so I’d call it Sneaky Stuff.
Maia James says
Lush actually uses synthetic fragrance, so I’d call it Sneaky Stuff. Sorry!
Lisa Stone says
I noticed Schmidt’s first ingredient is magnesium hydroxide (in the unscented stick version). Just wanted to make sure that this is a safe ingredient?
Maia James says
Yes, totally safe!
Megan says
I have tried many, many natural deodorants, with zero luck. Then I tried Native deodorant. WOW! Have you tried it? I smell great, I am dry, and I feel confident with it! My mom and my husband have also converted!
Suzannah Raff says
There’s a new Charcoal Deodorant on the market, Cleo&Coco http://www.cleoandcoco.com and it works 100%. People layer it with its Detox Dust, a non-talc healthy dusting powder that also has activated charcoal and bentonite clay, arrowroot and essential oils and it absorbs any additional moisture. Keeps you 100% odor free and dry.
Suzanne Weaver-Goss says
Hi Suzannah, Thanks we will check it out.
Regards,
Suzanne
Lovelle says
Hello, Maia!
I was wondering if the Schmidt’s Bergamot and Lime is good to use while pregnant? I think I saw that you said it was good during breastfeeding, and I wanted to know your thoughts on the product during pregnancy.
Ever thanks!
Abisola says
Hi! I was on the EWG website and noticed that they had a lot of warnings concerning many of the ingredients in Lafes. Are you aware of this?
Maia James says
EWG raises a lot of concerns over clove oil, but Lafe’s has removed that ingredient.
Christine says
Primarily Pure deodorant is AWESOME! They have a regular one and sensitive skin version with less baking soda. I find that it works reallly well. I tried lemongrass and lavender. Im typically drawn to Lavender scents but in this case I much prefered the lemongrass! Love it!
Sheri says
I highly recommend Native. My first day using it, I attended an unplanned outdoor luncheon that was hot and humid. (93 degrees) It worked very well and I did not smell at all. I am very satisfied.
Bard says
A previous commenter mentioned Jungleman Naturals brand of deodorants. I’ve tried out the unscented and mint versions and wonder about your opinion of them from a good stuff / bad stuff perspective.
Maia James says
I’ve not heard of this brand, but will be sure to include when we update this guide!
Maia James says
Update: Jungleman looks super safe! Good Stuff for sure.
Heather says
Have you tried Native bramd deodorant?
Maia James says
Yes, we’ve reviewed Native. It’s listed above under Good Stuff.
Heather says
Any thoughts on. Native deodorant?
Tonya Linderer says
I would love to know this also, lots of people asking about it.
Monique Jackson says
Hi there, thank you for all the research you do. It’s amazing! I was surprised I didn’t see any deodorants with just sea salts. I use a sea salt spray from Sprouts, and that is the only ingredient. I stunk like crazy the first 3 weeks, and now I don’t even smell I forget to put it on. What are your thoughts?
Maia James says
Sounds awesome! I will look into this!
Maia James says
I couldn’t find a salt spray by Sprouts. Please provide a link!
Alejandra says
What about Kabana Deodorant?
Maia James says
It’s definitely Good Stuff! Have you tried and do you like it?
Alejandra says
Not yet Mia….waiting for your review.
Also….pleeeease, make a post about DYE hair. Yours is a beautiful blond color, what do you use???
Katie says
Which is your favorite non baking soda formula with some sort of fragrance ? Also safe for pregnancy/breastfeeding.
Maia James says
Try the Schmidt’s sensitive line! https://gimmethegoodstuff.org/store/schmidts-sensitive-skin-deodorant/
I love the Geranium.
Kathy Brooks says
Hi Maia, thank you for all your researching and advise!
I’m currently using a deodrant by an Australian company called MooGoo. Could you please advise me if the deodrant ingredients would be classed as ‘Good Stuff’, as I’ve past one of these to each of my 3 daughter’s, and with one of them being pregnant, and hoping to breastfeed, I’m concerned that this deodrant would be OK for her to use? The ingredients are: Aqua (Water) Magnesium Hydroxide (Milk of Magnesia) Xanthum Gum, (Food Grade Thickener) Backhousia Citriodora Leaf Oil (Aussie Lemon Myrtle) Zea Mays (Corn) Seed Flour, Hamamelis Virginiana (Witch Hazel) Extract, Humulus Lupulus (Hops) Extract.
Thank you.
Maia James says
Hey! That list looks totally sefe to me;)
Aadila says
Thanks for sharing!!
keep bringing more and yes the best perfume for women is Coco Chanel Mademoiselle Perfume.
Jaclyn says
What do you think about Earth to Body ANTI-ODOUR BAR LEMONGRASS? Ingredients: coconut, baking soda, olive oil, hemp oil, cocoa butter, shea butter, Neem Oil, lavender, niaouli, lemongrass, oregano, juniper, manuka oil, lemonseed extract
http://www.natural.ca/en/anti-odour-bar-lemongrass
Also, do you know what makes one brand work better than another?
Maia James says
Looks safe!
Jaclyn says
Why is baking soda a safe chemical to use?
Maia James says
sodium bicarbonate (aka baking soda) has no evidence of any kind of toxicity or carcinogenesis.
Jayne says
Hi Maia! I was wondering if you would consider doing an update to your deodorant recommendations. I know that many more non-toxic options have come to market since 2016 and was wondering if you found any others that were excellent in terms of ingredients, but also effective.
Thanks!
steph says
Hi! I noticed a lot of people have asked about Native. I recently switch from Smidchts to Native and like it a lot better! Please let us know what you think!
Nydia says
I react to every “natural” deodorant I’ve used (whether it’s the baking soda type like schmidt’s or the roll-on’s like Kiss My Face) but I just recently started using one named Hola (http://holadeodorant.com/) and I really, really love it. No irritation at all and it works!
C says
Ursa Major’s “no- Bs”looks good – correct? Works well for me (might have to reapply on a sweaty day)
Aloe barbadensis leaf juice*, propanediol, sodium stearate, tapioca starch, saccharomyces ferment, silica, kaolin (clay), glyceryl caprylate, microcrystalline cellulose, glycerin, glyceryl undecylenate, butyrospermum parkii (shea) butter (community trade), tocopheryl acetate, cellulose gum, humulus lupulus (hops) extract, royal jelly extract, citrus medica limonum (lemon) peel extract, calendula officinalis (marigold) flower extract, chamomilla recutita (matricaria) flower extract, panax quinquefolium (ginseng) root extract
Alice says
I love the Native deidorant. It works the best, bwtter than any “bad stuff.” I was so discouraged before trying this and thought That I had to use one of the toxic one because I wasn’t ready to sacrifice feeling clean. So glad I found it! Highly recommend
Teri Byrne says
I wish I was reminded of the humidity of the Northeast last summer when I went back to Western NY for my 45th class reunion!
I have been living in the Northwest for 44 years and only use a good deodorant. WoW. I was super wet and very stinky during the entire weekend. A bit embarrassing to say the least.
Sorry to say, that yes, I probably would have been saved by your suggestion of BAN.
It’s all a funny story now, but when I read your suggestions, I was transported to last summer’s surpise!
By the way, I love your research and products and have been sharing your website to Everybody I know :))
Teri
Stephanie T says
Thank you for this thorough review. I’ve recently discovered Nfuse deodorant and really like it. I’ve used the Lavender scented option so far. Nfuse contains magnesium.
Shelia says
Hi Maia, thanks for this great guide. My husband and I have been using lemon juice as a deodorant, and it works unbelievably well!! Only issue is stinging, so we apply a Hawaii nut oil first, then the lemon juice. It’s amazing at eliminating odors. Have you tried this?
Tina says
Hi Maia! Thanks for doing the dirty work! Your guide has been one of my reference go-to sites for transitioning our household to non-toxic. What are your thoughts on Earth Mama’s unscented deodorant? I know you carry some of their products on your shop.
Kim says
Any thoughts on Earth Mama’s deodorant?
Kim says
Oops, just saw someone just asked! 😃
Vaidehi Deo says
I am currently using Meow Meow Tweet’s baking soda free one. (https://meowmeowtweet.com/) That one is also plastic free, cardboard packaging. with stick application. Any particular reason for not including that ?
Sarah R Thompson says
I think recently Native changed their label to list “fragrance.” This was after being bought out by Proctor and Gambel. Makes me wonder what else they changed…..
Leslie says
I noticed the same thing. I thought the Coconut & Vanilla scent was too good to be true, and sure enough, I was disappointed to see “fragrance” listed as an ingredient.
Dawn Heinzman says
Hi, Maia.
I noticed another brand you may not have heard about before called Alaffia. (No worries about that — can’t cover all the brands in one go. Right?) Aside from the reassurance the straight-forward ingredients list brings, I appreciate purchasing a product that is as close as you can get to where I love in Oregon (based in Olympia!), and the scent I chose to buy (bergamot (just patchouly-esque enough to enjoy and not be overkill)) smells wonderful and seems to do the trick all day. They also have coconut, lavender, vetiver, lemongrass, and mandarin ginger scented versions too!
Their website is here: https://alaffia.com/body-care/deodorant/
Maia James says
Thanks so much! This def sounds like the good stuff:)
Priscilla says
What about Bo-bedient?
Have you tried this brand?
https://bo-bedient.com
Erika says
Hi there!
I just started using Think sports deodorant line. It works great for me. Have you looked into that one?
Dacia says
Hi!
I just wanted to give readers a heads up about the Schmidt’s brand. I was so in love with this deodorant until one day, after about a month of using it, I realized I had a terrible second degree chemical burn on my underarms. I’m still trying to heal after about a month- so just beware if you suspect that you are sensitive to baking soda. Even if you don’t think you are – you can over time still end up with a burn since the baking soda will start to alter the pH of your underarm.
I’ve just started using a paste of bentonite clay – just the clay with mixed some water to form a paste and this seems to work well on my underarms without the burn of baking soda.
Just wanted to pass this along so hopefully no one else will have to endure this – ouch!!! Thanks for all the info!
Michelle says
Hi! I have been using Earth Science and love it. Are there any worrisome ingredients?
http://earthsciencenaturals.com/product/244/Deodorant-Liken-Plant-Unscented-2.45-oz..html
Lindsey says
As a formulator, I cannot stress this enough: Vitamin E is NOT a preservative. It is, however, an antioxidant, which will help oils from going rancid, but it will NOT prevent mold, yeast, and fungal growth.
While I also do not care for parabens, they are necessary in all water-based products, or products that may come in contact with water.
Why are they necessary?
Because there is no commercially viable all-natural preservative (aka, a substance that prevents baddies from growing). The normal usage rates for preservatives are between 1-3%. Personally, this is a much better alternative (in my opinion) than potentially slathering mold spores all over my body every time I use some type of lotion.
Megan Payne says
I use Arm & Hammer unscented deodorant and I see that you have listed it contains Triclosan. & synthetic fragrance. I am looking at my deodorant and don’t see this listed. I do see propylene glycol though. Can you check into this? I thought I had looked up every single ingredient on the EWG website and didn’t think it was that bad…
Melody Zimmerman says
Charcoal deodorant is an all-natural way to stay smelling fresh and dry! The activated charcoal neutralizes odor and absorbs moisture, and creates an environment where bacteria cannot thrive, leaving your sweat odorless. Because they don’t rely on irritating baking soda as the only odor-neutralizing ingredient, these deodorants are ideal for individuals with sensitive skin or a baking soda sensitivity.
Nathan says
I’ve been using the crystal deodorants (the actual rock one) for a few years now because its the only deodorant I have found that I can stand. anything more then a slight fragrance is something I find unpleasant but the feel is the main problem. I have ocd (think the handwashing) and the gritty/oily/slick residue from deodorants drives me up the wall. I’m abit disappointed that it wasn’t as good a stuff I was thinking and was wondering if anyone could suggest a good alternative with minimal tactile impression? (for the record I had tried a scent free crystal roll-on and it didn’t bother me but I didn’t find it effective either)
kitty says
How about Alaffia, Dessert Essence, and Now Foods deodorants sold on iHerb?
http://www.iherb.com/?rcode=NET7216
Ariel W. says
I love and use Native deodorant on a daily basis. The scent (especially the coconut/vanilla and the lavender) last all day long as well as after a rigorous cardio work out! But, if you are wearing light colored shirt/blouse/dress – it WILL stain your clothes…it turned mine a gross yellow, almost chartreuse color. As soon as I could I would spray the stain with Shout stain remover – a LOT of spray – and washed the stained clothing immediately and each time the stain would completely disappear. I tried 7th Generation stain remover spray once on these stains and it only slightly reduced the stain but it was Shout that got rid of them completely.
Monica P. says
Any thoughts on Kopari? It’s getting a lot of publicity lately and I’m wondering if it’s really good or just looks good.
Clara P. says
I would also like to know about Kopari. They claim to be a natural deodorant but it has a very long list of ingredients.
I tried it and it is working really well, but I am not sure if it might be too good to be true.
Christina Marroquin says
https://primallypure.com/ Please check out Primally Pure deodorants and let me know what you think please.
Maia James says
Looks like Good Stuff!
Jessica J. says
Have you heard of or looked into Lume deodorant? Curious of your thoughts and if the ingredients are considered “Good stuff”. Thanks!
https://lumedeodorant.com/pages/ingredients
Maia James says
I’m not a fan of Lume. I like that they don’t use synthetic fragrances, but they do use a ton of synthetics and some others I don’t like, such as phenoxyethanol, PEG chemicals, and Polysorbate 60.
Jessica Johnson says
Thank you! I’ve been curious but wasn’t sure of all the ingredients.
Stacey S. Guillory says
I also would love to know your thoughts about Lume? Thanks!
Maia James says
I’m not a fan of Lume. I like that they don’t use synthetic fragrances, but they do use a ton of synthetics and some others I don’t like, such as phenoxyethanol, PEG chemicals, and Polysorbate 60.
Stacey Guillory says
Thank you Maia!! So glad I checked with you. I’ve been using Lyme but will now stop & try several of the “Good Stuff” items to find a replacement. You’re a gem!!
Sarah says
Hello! And thank you, as always, for such fantastic info. I wanted to mention my new fave brand/scent: Humble Deodorant in Palo Santo, Frankincense, Vanilla scent. It smells amazing (and I usually hate/feel sensitive to the way everything smells). It has only about 5 ingredients, most listed as organic (corn starch, fraccionated coconut oil, EOs, baking soda, beeswax.. and I just saw that they have vegan and no-baking soda options as well.
When I did a huge body/home/life cleanse about a decade ago, I found it was easier to just shower and eat well than to find a worthwhile natural deodorant, and I usually felt secure with my decision to sometimes stink in the name of health, but then a couple of years ago, I went to a funeral and smelled awful when hugging friends… so I went on a mission to find a usable deodorant to avoid a situation like that happening again. I eventually stumbled on this scent by Humble, and I’ve been hooked since then. I’ve tried their unscented version, too, and it’s great. (It doesn’t have a strong coconut oil smell like so many other “unscented” natural deodorants I’ve tried.) I really highly recommend them! (And if you don’t object to shopping somewhere like TJMaxx or Marshalls, you can often find these deodorants there at a decent discount.) Thanks again, Maia and team, for the great info!
Maia James says
Thanks so much for the kind words, and for putting Humble on our radar! It looks like Good Stuff.
Ines says
I’ve been using Schmidts for a while but it stains my clothes, so I really need an alternative. Has someone used it and is now happy with another brand which also has good results and does not leave stains? Thank you !
DANIELLE says
I’d been using Arm & Hammer and tried the Poofy Organics brand and it BURNED. The website says it could be from the baking soda, but my last brand also had baking soda and I’ve never had a reaction. I also tried to reach out to Poofy and no luck :/
It also burned my husband, and neither one of us has ever had a reaction to anything. Sad that I wasted $12 and I don’t know what caused that so I’m discouraged knowing that this will be a costly journey until I find a good one.
James says
I too have not worn deodorant in around 10 years. However, I recently moved to the southeast and have noticed on warm days in the “winter” that I tend to sweat excessively unlike when I lived up north. I will try some of these deodorants this spring and summer, but I’m wondering if you have any suggestions on men’s deodorant since I am a man. THANKS!
Laura Doherty says
Amendment to my previous comment/question: I just found a california prop. 65 warning on the Amazon listing for the deodorant I am using by Alvera. Eeeek! Maybe I’ve been using sneaky/bad stuff all along?
kathy says
which product do you recommend for me?
i know that people who have body odor is because their sweat contain certain fatty acids (which is coded into their genes), and the bacteria on their skin react with those fatty acids and produces the odor. and most deodorants work by making you not sweat and have some anti-bacterial effect. well i don’t have any body odor, but i still use a deodorant for its antiperspirant properties, namely Secret, because my armpits sweat the most, and it makes unsightful wet patches on my clothes, and sometime if i forget to wash the clothes within the few following days, it will leave ugly sweat stains on my clothes. so what’s a product that’s safe to use and is an antiperspirant with lasting effect?
Carol says
Would the Native unscented make your Good Stuff list since it won’t have the proprietary blend of essential oils?
Laura Doherty says
Firstly, thank you, I love your product guides. I relied upon your research and knowledge to get me through all my product selections during my first pregnancy (and now beyond). So, I was wondering if I could get your opinion on the deodorant I currently use: Alvera Aloe & Almonds All Natural Roll-On Deodorant. I know it will lose points for not being organic, but I’m hoping there’s not too much else sinister within? P.S. I live in Florida, and I regularly use this deodorant in 90 degree heat and 90 percent humidity, and am pretty happy with its performance.
sara says
“DeodoMom” is an amazingly simple (actually safe enough to eat!) and effective deodorant we’ve been using for the last 8 years, and despite all the other brands that have become available in more recent years, we remain customers for life.
From amazon’s storefront:
NO ALUMINUM or aluminum compounds (potassium alum, zirconium alum).
SUITABLE FOR SENSITIVE SKINS and will not sting your underarms even right after shaving . Contains no irritating ingredients such as dyes, parabens, alcohol, propylene glycol, baking soda (sodium bicarbonate), beeswax. essential oils, palm oil, talc, triclosan, nanoparticle, gluten, BPA, or GMO.
COMPLETELY UNSCENTED with zero fragrance. 100% VEGAN – no animal testing or animal byproducts.
LASTS ALL DAY with only 1 application and 1 bottle is good for 3 months of typical use.
Dolly says
I have been using Neal’s Yard Remedies deodorant. It’s an all natural product . Have you heard of the company? It’s a roll on. I really like it. What are your thoughts on it?
Amanda says
Thank you so much for this guide! I am blown away by some of the things that are truly sneaky. Super appreciate your diligence and integrity.
I’m currently using Primally Pure Deodorant(Blue Tansy) and wondered your thoughts on this brand.
Thank you again and will definitely be sharing and trying out your picks from your guides. 😊
Delia Arriola says
Would you be able to tell me if this deodorant is safe? Bravo Sierra, here are the ingredients.
Propylene Glycol (BIOBASED), Propanediol, Water/Aqua/Eau, Sodium Stearate, Glycerin, Saccharomyces Ferment Filtrate (ORGANIC), Caprylyl/Capryl Gucoside, Sorbitan Oleate Decylglucoside Crosspolymer, Tapioca Starch, Diatomaceous Earth, Hydrolyzed Jojoba Esters, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Panax Quinquefolius Root Extract, Plankton Extract, Lecithin, Sodium Cocoyl Glutamate, Sucrose, Sodium Surfactin, Polyglyceryl-6 Oleate, Glyceryl Caprylate, Sodium Chloride, Citric Acid
Jenn says
I would add Pit Liquor. I struggled to find a natural deodorant that worked and accidentally found this one a few years ago when I met the owners in Boulder doing a live promo for their Kickstarter.
Alex says
Have you heard of Megababe deodorant? I’d love for you to add it to your list with your review!
Tierra says
Have you heard of Pretty Frank? I’m curious to learn of your opinion on their ingredients. They look totally straight forward to me.
Eve says
Here’s a review from an Amazon customer on the Lafe’s Active Deodorant:
“This deodorant does not list sodio (sodium?) bicarbonate as an ingredient on the packaging, but does contain sodium stearate.”
Can you please verify if this is accurate and change it, if it is? My daughter and I are looking for safe deodorant and don’t want to purchase this if it isn’t safe.
Thank you!
Andi says
How about Little Seed Farm and Each and Every? I’ve used both of them with great success. My husband loves Each and Every’s cedar and spruce scents.
ilyse betancourt says
How about Primally Pure?